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 Salvins Albatross
Thalassarche salvini 
 Alternative English Names: [Sin Datos]
 Alternative Scientific Names: [Sin Datos]
 Nombre en Español: Albatros de Salvin
 Nombres alternativos en Español: [Sin Datos]
 
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Status : VU 
 
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Salvins Albatross
 
 Distribution :
 
NOT checked in list yet
 Department  Birding Site Trail
 Ancash
 Arequipa Mejia Lagoons National Sanctuary No observations
17° 08' S - 71° 51' W
 Ica
 La Libertad
 Lambayeque
 Lima Pelagic from Lima Has observations

 Moquegua
 Piura
 Tacna
 Tumbes Punta Sal and minipelagic from there No observations
03° 58.5' S - 80° 58.4' W
 Lima Pelagic from Lima

 Lima Pelagic from Lima

 Lima Pelagic from Lima

 

 

 

 

 Lima Pelagic from Lima

 
 Distribution : In GPS
 
 
 Observation/heard bird:
Last 50 Obs. 
 
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 Date Location GPS
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Monday, July 19, 2010
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
General:3;
Sunday, August 3, 2008
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
distant but obvious under wing pattern and long wings
General:1;
Sunday, August 3, 2008
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
distant but obvious under wing pattern and long wings
General:1;
Sunday, July 6, 2008
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
at chumming
General:1;
Sunday, June 29, 2008
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
General:2;
Thursday, August 2, 2007
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
General:4;
Friday, July 27, 2007
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
Ad:1; Immature:1;
Friday, July 13, 2007
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
Possibly 3 at the chumming
General:2;
Wednesday, July 26, 2006
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
General:5;
Thursday, July 6, 2006
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
 
Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
 
Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Depart:
Birding Site:
Trail:
 
Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Depart:
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Tuesday, October 7, 2003
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Saturday, March 8, 2008
Depart: Lima
Birding Site: Pelagic from Lima
 
 
 
 Photos of this bird:  
 
Name:
White-capped-Albatros1.jpg
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Lima
Birding Site:
Pelagic from Lima
File:
White-capped-Albatros1.jpg (7249 bytes)
Comments:
Possibly a White-capped Albatross on July 10, 2003.

This and all the other photos of the supposed White-capped Albatross have later been identified as a very pale-headed Salvin´s Albatross. Included here is the discussion by Alvaro Jaramillo, Peter Milburn, Tony Pym and Ross Sllcock. Also thanks to Karen Baird of KIWI WILDLIFE TOURS NZ, Tony Wilson of Manu Tours NZ and Graeme Taylor NZ for additional comments on the pictures. See picture nr. 2 for full comments.
 
Name:
White-capped-Albatross2.jpg
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Lima
Birding Site:
Pelagic from Lima
File:
White-capped-Albatross2.jpg (8017 bytes)
Comments:
White-capped Albatross Diomeda cauta cauta on July 10, 2003 33 nmiles off Callao.

This and all the other photos of the supposed White-capped Albatross have later been identified as a very pale-headed Salvin´s Albatross. Included here is the discussion by Alvaro Jaramillo, Peter Milburn, Tony Pym and Ross Sllcock. Also thanks to Karen Baird of KIWI WILDLIFE TOURS NZ, Tony Wilson of Manu Tours NZ and Graeme Taylor NZ for additional comments on the pictures. See picture nr. 2 for full comments.
 
Name:
salvin1.jpg
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Lima
Birding Site:
Pelagic from Lima
File:
salvin1.jpg (138518 bytes)
Comments:
Salvins Albatross 1 July 10, 2003
 
Name:
Salvins Albatross2.jpg
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Birding Site:
Trail:
File:
Salvins Albatross2.jpg (139939 bytes)
Comments:
Salvins Albatross #2 July 10 - 2003
 
Name:
White-capped Albatross 2.jpg
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Birding Site:
Trail:
File:
White-capped Albatross 2.jpg (171624 bytes)
Comments:
Salvin´s Albatross # 2, July 10, 2003. Photo: Gunnar Engblom.

This and all the consequent photos of the supposed White-capped Albatross have later been identified as a very pale-headed Salvin´s Albatross. Included here is the discussion by Alvaro Jaramillo, Peter Milburn, Tony Pym, Ross Sllcock and Hadoram Shirihai. Also thanks to Karen Baird of KIWI WILDLIFE TOURS NZ, Tony Wilson of Manu Tours NZ and Graeme Taylor NZ for additional comments on the pictures.

Alvaro Jaramillo chucao@comcast.net writes

Thanks for the additional photos posted. You know the flight shots
really clarify this one, and it is not a White-capped Albatross
(cauta/steadi). If you look at the underside of the primaries, they are not
white. You can see a definite contrast between the white under-primary
coverts and the darker primaries. The pale and washed out look is partially
due to the captures being overexposed, although I am sure that it was a
rather pale headed bird in reality. The bill colour really isn´t that good
for cauta/steadi, one would expect a greyish bill with a yellow tip on an
adult. Adult cauta/steadi would not show a dark spot on the tip of the
lower mandible, younger birds do, and these should not show any yellow on
the bill at all. Adult salvini on the other hand do show a dark spot at the
tip of the lower mandible, and often show a yellowish culminicorn
contrasting with more olive bill sides. It is true that salvini should show
a darker head than this bird, but it could be explained by the bird being a
subadult who has not renewed the head feathers, bleaching and wear would
lead to a paler head than is usual. I was hoping this was going to end up
in some documented evidence that cauta/steadi does occur in South America,
but alas it does not. I do know that research cruises (Ainley and Spears)
have recorded White-capped Albatrosses off South America, but I do not know
if this is old information and they have changed their view, or if there is
any good documentation of the occurrences. Given the numbers of taxa
involved here it is also important to know if reports of "cauta" pertain to
the use of the term in the narrow sense or in the inclusive sense
(including steadi, eremita and salvini). The taxonomy of these creatures is
in flux and currently in the Americas they are all considered part of the
same species.

cheers

Alvaro

Alvaro Jaramillo
Biologist
San Francisco Bay Bird Observatory
P.O. Box 247
Alviso, CA 95002
(408)-946-6548
http://www.sfbbo.org/
chucao@comcast.net

Peter Milburn writes:

I´m rather late in this debate. We (http://www.sossa-international.org) have a banding program off the coast of NSW and band both Shy and White-capped Albatross. Both Salvin´s and Chatham occur as rarities. As it happens I have a lot of experience of White-capped Albatross having been part of a research expedition to the colonies on Disappointment, Auckland and Adams Islands. The images I viewed were not the best but from my perspective the bird labelled White-capped Albatross showed all the features of Salvin´s Albatross. In my opinion, White-capped and Salvin´s are distinct at all ages but diagnoses are based on multiple features. However the best indication from these images of the bird in question is the bill. Adult White-capped Albatross have distinctly bluish tinges in the bill, especially along the culmen. The bird in the images has the typical adult Salvin´s bill. The pattern of markings of the head and underwing is also typical although rather pale in the images.

regards
Milburn

Dr P.J. Milburn
Biomolecular Resource Facility
Australian National University
GPO Box 334
Canberra
ACT 0200

Ross Silcock silcock@rosssilcock.com writes:

I didn´t see the flight shots (just now found them). I take back my ID as White-capped (I only found the small pic of the bird sitting on the water). I agree with Alvaro (as usual!): the extent of black in the primaries seems too great for White-capped/Shy (steadi/cauta). There should be some evidence of white extending into the black, but I can´t see it. Overexposure is a bit of a problem, too. Parsimony suggests a pale Salvin´s. Ross

Ross Silcock
P.O. Box 57
Tabor, Iowa, USA 51653
silcock@rosssilcock.com
New Zealand Land and Pelagic Bird Tours
www.rosssilcock.com

Tony Pym writes:

Well, interesting. Like all at sea shots it´s a shame its so overexposed. There seems to be good things, like head in one shot and underwing, in favour of Shy/White-capped but there doesn´t seem any contrast to the forecrown (maybe the light). If this is a Shy/White-capped it cannot be adult (with the bill having a dark tip), I believe there is some work, in writing somewhere, on variation in the bills between the forms? This is worth searching. You could contact Hadoram Shirihai who´s working on a new book on the tubenoses. With his normal attention to detail, he knows much more than me. Only trouble is I don´t have an Email address for him!



Hadoram Shirihai writes: I tend to think that your bird is Salvin´s (the very pale head is because overexposed images with strong light that "burning" the grey colour), and the bill and underwing seems better for latter (but will like to see better images to confirm all these characters and the head colour).


 
Name:
White-capped Albatross 7.JPG
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Birding Site:
Trail:
File:
White-capped Albatross 7.JPG (165364 bytes)
Comments:
White-capped Albatross # 7, July 10, 2003

This and all the other photos of the supposed White-capped Albatross have later been identified as a very pale-headed Salvin´s Albatross. Included here is the discussion by Alvaro Jaramillo, Peter Milburn, Tony Pym and Ross Sllcock. Also thanks to Karen Baird of KIWI WILDLIFE TOURS NZ, Tony Wilson of Manu Tours NZ and Graeme Taylor NZ for additional comments on the pictures. See picture nr. 2 for full comments.
 
Name:
White-capped Albatross 9.JPG
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Birding Site:
Trail:
File:
White-capped Albatross 9.JPG (178708 bytes)
Comments:
White-capped Albatross # 9 -on water, July 10, 2003. Pelagic from Callao. Photo: Gunnar Engblom.

This and all the other photos of the supposed White-capped Albatross have later been identified as a very pale-headed Salvin´s Albatross. Included here is the discussion by Alvaro Jaramillo, Peter Milburn, Tony Pym and Ross Sllcock. Also thanks to Karen Baird of KIWI WILDLIFE TOURS NZ, Tony Wilson of Manu Tours NZ and Graeme Taylor NZ for additional comments on the pictures. See picture nr. 2 for full comments.
 
Name:
Salvins Albatross 2.JPG
Date:
2008
Author:
Gunnar Engblom
Department:
Lima
Birding Site:
Pelagic from Lima
File:
Salvins Albatross 2.JPG (0 bytes)
Comments:
 
 
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